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Postgraduate student at the University of Bath, UK, studying geometry and representation theory. Currently thinking about cluster algebras and related objects.


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comment Can I force the amsalpha bibliography style to sort papers by the same authors chronologically?
@barbara I can attest that using {\noop\} in the year field does force the behaviour I want - if you want to add this as an answer, I'll accept it. This does seem like the cleanest solution, although I'm still a little uneasy that it might cause strange behaviour if I switch style.
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comment Can I force the amsalpha bibliography style to sort papers by the same authors chronologically?
I did, thanks! I will have a look in the manual - cheating was too strong, but I'd rather not change too much in the .bib file in case I change style later and get strange behaviour.
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comment Can I force the amsalpha bibliography style to sort papers by the same authors chronologically?
@egreg I looked at the documentation again - the sentence you quote refers to using a .ltb file instead of using BibTEX. Section 2.3 says, on using BibTEX instead, "you can take advantage of BibTEX’s ability to sort your items for you". The issue seems to be that amsrfs with the alphabetical option does not pass the same sorting instructions to BibTEX as using \bibliographystyle{amsalpha} instead of amsrfs. (There are also some small formatting differences). It doesn't make a difference to use the default article document style rather than amsart.
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comment Can I force the amsalpha bibliography style to sort papers by the same authors chronologically?
@barbarabeeton In this case, the .bib file has "year={1999}" and "year={2000}", so the alphabetical order agrees with the chronological order - unfortunately the issue is only introduced once the labels are produced and then sorted.
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comment Can I force the amsalpha bibliography style to sort papers by the same authors chronologically?
@barbara Thanks; that is a neat trick, but I'd prefer to do it automatically if possible. At the moment, my favourite solution would be to use \bibliographystyle rather than amsrefs, and work out how to produce the effect of the abbrev and msc-links options that way.
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comment Can I force the amsalpha bibliography style to sort papers by the same authors chronologically?
@egreg Now I am even more confused - I have also found this sentence in the documentation, but it doesn't describe the behaviour that actually occurs. I have a lot of references by the same authors (all 21st century!) which are alphabetical by title in the .bib file, but appear chronologically in the bibliography. I guess this is either part of the abbreviation option, or in the amsart document style - I will experiment more.
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comment Can I force the amsalpha bibliography style to sort papers by the same authors chronologically?
Ah - it appears that the behaviour is different depending on whether you use \bibliographystyle{amsalpha}, or specify the style through an option on the amsrefs package (which ignores any \bibliographystyle command).
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comment Can I force the amsalpha bibliography style to sort papers by the same authors chronologically?
That's extremely strange, and suggests I've somehow modified the default behaviour. I added a sentence to the question to explain how the bibliography is implemented - I've stopped short of including extracts from the .bib file because I don't think they'll be useful, but I can include them if you like.
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comment Can I force the amsalpha bibliography style to sort papers by the same authors chronologically?
I don't really want to get into a discussion about sorting by author - AMS's own style guide insists that the sorting is by label, and I don't disagree with them, although I appreciate that some people do.