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Sep 15 '11 at 21:42 comment added Yiannis Lazarides @Ben Lerner Your suggestion is a variant of multicolumn layouts. This particular layout's main feature is that all notes fit on the same page as the main text (no note is carried over to the next page). This way it can be solved easier by measuring the marginpar boxes, if they exceed overflow to third box, measure again and reduce the textheight. Only complication would be when a note is on the last paragraph or so. When the page textheight is reduced the boxes will change size again and you will need to iterate. I agree though that a general solution is more desirable. Pray for LaTeX3!
Sep 15 '11 at 21:27 comment added raphink @Aditya: The program used is 3B2. The author now switched to InDesign.
Sep 15 '11 at 21:24 comment added Aditya Any idea on what program was used to create this document (in 1999!)
Sep 15 '11 at 21:18 comment added Ben Lerner @Joseph, thanks. It does seem like an output-routine issue, since it's very similar to how TeX already chooses when to break pages. I was thinking perhaps there would be a hook that coffins could use to "link" their outputs, then the output routine would (in several passes?) treat them as miniature pages and break text among them. Yiannis's approach seems hard-coded to this particular layout; I was imagining something more general. Lots of hard corner cases, like ensuring callouts that reflow start on the same page as their marker... Lots of fun problems -- good luck! :)
Sep 15 '11 at 21:11 comment added Yiannis Lazarides A solution might be possible with LaTeX for someone with intimate knowledge of LaTeX's output routine. The way I see the algo is to divide the page into three regions. If the sidenotes do not fit in the margin, overflow to region three (rather than the following page) and reduce the main TeX body. As Barbara mentioned ledmac might be a starting point. (sorry added comment again as internet connection was interruped and could not edit).
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Sep 15 '11 at 20:02 comment added Joseph Wright @Ben. At present, this is well beyond the areas we've examined. 'coffins' are about box alignment, but not reflowing text. I suspect that may come up in the output routine, but even there you have to remember that TeX's model for a page is not really suited to reflowing. Of course, the ConTeXt people may well have a Lua-based solution: I will try to find out.
Sep 15 '11 at 18:19 comment added Ben Lerner @JosephWright and latex3 folks: am I right in thinking this would make a great testcase and usecase for latex3's coffins or galleys, or whichever the right module is these days? :) This seems like an interesting page description challenge: "The textblock is 0.66\pagewidth * 0.75\pageheight. The marginpar area consists of three coffins, of width 0.33\pagewidth and heights \textheight and 0.25\textheight, and the text flows between them." This is the sort of layout that usually made me give up on latex and switch to InDesign or a desktop publishing program... I hope latex can do it soon too!
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Sep 10 '11 at 21:53 comment added raphink @barbara: the program used for composition is actually 3B2 (which I have never used) according to the parent page listetypo.free.fr/meron/new.
Sep 10 '11 at 19:15 comment added barbara beeton thanks, @Raphink. i've succeeded in downloading. (links to pdf files automatically launch adobe reader from my browser, so intervention is required to download.) it behaves much better now. the notes "wrap" into the footer starting on p.2; what's special about p.12 is that they wrap to the next page! quite an attractive layout, i think. this is somewhat the sort of material addressed by the old edmac, so for latex, i'd look into ledmac. but ultimately, i'd guess it's a custom style, and possibly done with indesign (note hanging punctuation and full-width figures).
Sep 10 '11 at 16:33 comment added raphink @barbara: I've downloaded it several times without a problem... and acroread 9 opens it well on Ubuntu Natty.
Sep 10 '11 at 15:36 comment added barbara beeton sadly, the cited file throws the message "File does not begin with %PDF-." from adobe reader, and i'm unable to look past the first page. (trying to read with current adobe reader plugin to current firefox on windows xp.)
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