Is there a symbol for "non-transversality" (or how to create it)? I am thinking about something similar to the negation of the symbol \pitchfork. I did not find anything like this in the list of available symbols.

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    Have you tried \not\pitchfork? BTW, Welcome to TeX.SE. – Peter Grill Feb 7 '12 at 16:03
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  • @PeterGrill ok, I didn't know the \not command, it seems very useful – vito Feb 9 '12 at 23:12

If you're interested in extracting only the symbol you're after from MnSymbol, then you can follow the procedure listed in Interior product (contraction) symbol.

Here is an MWE that defines \nontrans as a binary relation:

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\usepackage{amsmath}% http://ctan.org/pkg/amsmath
\usepackage{fonttable}% http://ctan.org/pkg/fonttable
    <-6>  MnSymbolB5
   <6-7>  MnSymbolB6
   <7-8>  MnSymbolB7
   <8-9>  MnSymbolB8
   <9-10> MnSymbolB9
  <10-12> MnSymbolB10
  <12->   MnSymbolB12}{}
\DeclareMathSymbol{\nontrans}{\mathbin}{MnSyB}{'211}% Symbol 211

$A\nontrans B$


In fact, \nontrans is symbol '211 (octal, or decimal 137) from MnSymbolB. Here's the font table if you're interested in extracting a different symbol:

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The above font table was created via the fonttable package and adding

\xfonttable{U}{MnSymbolB}{m}{n}% MnSymbolB font table

to the above MWE.

  • Well done! I would just add that for consistency it is probably good to use the symbol for \pitchfork from MnSymbol as well (it is in MnSymbolA font I believe). – yo' Feb 9 '12 at 7:04

The MnSymbol Pitchforks provides \nuppitchfork found in The Comprehensive LATEX Symbol List by Scott Pakin on page 47.



To create a similar effect, try the following though to my knowledge it is not the most appropriate Latex way of negating a Math Symbol:


Which produces: test

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    beware the side effects of mathabx; it changes the shape of many symbols. if just one or two symbols are needed, there is a "recipe" for accomplishing that in an answer to this question. – barbara beeton Feb 7 '12 at 17:57
  • I suppose so, my suggestion is just a sample with a \pitchfork without negation. – azetina Feb 7 '12 at 18:05
  • but a \pitchfork does require a package that provides the symbol. the package shown in your example is mathabx. (this symbol is also provided by \usepackage{amssymb}, which conflicts with none of the "standard" computer modern symbols. there may be others that don't have such a wide-reaching scope, but i haven't checked.) – barbara beeton Feb 7 '12 at 19:04
  • MnSymbol is a package that provides really a lot of symbols, but changes the appearance of a lot of symbols. I would really need some option passed to that package, so that I can write e.g. \Mn{\pitchfork} to get the one from MnSymbol package and without \Mn to get the symbols as usual. – yo' Feb 8 '12 at 9:01

I guess that the following code gives pretty good results, that are consinstent while scaling. (We made an \overline over something that has a width of the symbol and height of a single ..)




A \npitchfork B_{{X\npitchfork Y}_{M\npitchfork N}}


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