I need to (well, want to) use a symbol that is to \gg what \ge is to >: ,,\gg or equal``, if you will.

The obvious, quick-and-dirty solution was the following:

$\bfu \ggeq \bfx$

which produces

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Yet I feel that the resulting symbol is visually unappealing. Does anyone -- especially people who know what makes typeset symbols look good in the first place -- have tweaks, or other suggestions?

Or does such a symbol perhaps already exist in some package? I tried detexify, but to no avail, and didn't find anything in the list either.

EDIT: since there seems to be some misunderstanding about the semantics of this symbol, \gg does not mean ,,much greater than`` in the context in which the new symbol is needed.

EDIT 2: used \mathrel rather than \mathbin, which is indeed more sensible; thanks to @mickep for the tip.

  • You are asking for a symbol that looks nice. This is an aesthetic judgment. I find the symbol that you do not like rather nice.
    – Denis
    Mar 3 at 13:22
  • @Denis thanks! Yes, it is a judgement call. Yet I think there is such a thing as objectively beautiful typography; otherwise we might all be happily using Word instead of TeX!
    – chsk
    Mar 3 at 13:24
  • Difficult to find an already existing symbol indeed. The easiest way would be not to use \gg but >^{*} (for instance). Then you could use \geq^{*} .
    – Denis
    Mar 3 at 13:34
  • 2
    Not answering your question, but \mathrel might be better than \mathbin. Also, I cannot find this symbol in the very long uncode list of symbols. And "much greater than or equal to" sounds a bit obscure. May I out of curiosity ask for what it will mean?
    – mickep
    Mar 3 at 13:36
  • 3
    Is this even a meaningful concept? At what point does $u \geq x$ become $u \gg x$? Mar 3 at 15:02

2 Answers 2


Here is an extremely simple solution that does not have exactly the same spacing as \gg, but it's close. As noted by @Denis, you can redefine \gg if identical spacing is desired.

enter image description here





$\bfu \ggeq \bfx_{\bfu \ggeq \bfx_{\bfu \ggeq \bfx}}$

$\bfu \gg \bfx_{\bfu \gg \bfx_{\bfu \gg \bfx}}$

  • Nice and simple. But as I see it the spacing between the two > signs is not the same with \gg and with your \ggeq.
    – Denis
    Mar 4 at 9:02
  • To overcome the problem, I would also add \renewcommand{\gg}{>\!\!\!>}
    – Denis
    Mar 4 at 9:44
  • Good point @Denis. I updated my solution.
    – Sandy G
    Mar 4 at 14:31
  • Excellent --- simple and effective. Thank you.
    – chsk
    Mar 4 at 16:25

I'm not sure what the meaning would be. Anyway, here's a way to use the minus sign for the lower line. The resulting symbol will have (about) the same vertical dimension as \geq.



  \vcenter to \dimexpr\ht\tw@+\dp\tw@{%
    \vbox to \dimen@{
      \hbox to \wd\z@{$\m@th\mspace{-0.5mu}#1{-}\hss{-}\mspace{-0.5mu}$}%
      \kern-1.5\fontdimen8 \gglleq@font{#1} 3
      \kern-\fontdimen22 \gglleq@font{#1} 2



$a\ggeq b\geq c$ $\scriptstyle a\ggeq b\geq c$

$a\gg b$ $\scriptstyle a\gg b$

$a\ggeq b$ $\scriptstyle a\ggeq b$

$a\lleq b$

$a\ll b$


enter image description here

  • Thank you, very cool! I'll just nod and pretend I have any clue about how what's actually going on there. ,)
    – chsk
    Mar 4 at 16:26

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